tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25635043.post7897972003364555555..comments2024-02-27T10:27:03.841-05:00Comments on The Double Edged Sword: The Church, Who Is She?Joel Spencerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02474230869182287895noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25635043.post-35729719680432594962008-10-20T06:23:00.000-04:002008-10-20T06:23:00.000-04:00Kay: What the Spirit is saying to the churches is ...Kay: What the Spirit is saying to the churches is surely something we need to sit down and address. <BR/><BR/>If we're not enamored with God's business, then we shouldn't even bother stating that we're a part of His Church.Joel Spencerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02474230869182287895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25635043.post-58845276116894308012008-10-19T13:23:00.000-04:002008-10-19T13:23:00.000-04:00Joel, I have read and re read this, printed it out...Joel, I have read and re read this, printed it out and read it again. Shared it with others. Thanks for allowing the Holy Spirit to speak the mind of the Father through you. This one demands a response from me, a looking inside of myself if you will. So I ask myself "Am I a true representation of the kingom of God on the earth? Am I passionately pursuing the God of all creation? Am I before all mankind a true ambassador that the Word of God speaks of? My lifes all, my lifes total value found in the person of Jesus Christ and the kingdom He re established on the earth?" Through Christ alone I am able to live out the -YES- to each of these questions.<BR/>Continue to draw near to God Joel, and God will draw near to you. James 4:8<BR/>KayAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25635043.post-84229047185252451012008-10-18T06:37:00.000-04:002008-10-18T06:37:00.000-04:00G33k: We must hold fast to why we're here. The maj...<B>G33k:</B> We must hold fast to why we're here. The majority of the Body (myself included) is often as distracted and off the narrow path as the world is - this cannot be.<BR/><BR/><B>Like A Mustard Seed:</B> You're right, people are beginning to hear the call to no longer settle for carnal Christianity. May we all be found, as you stated, "unafraid to ask the tough questions, and let God himself answer." The Author knows the details.<BR/><BR/><B>Gabe:</B> Seek and we will find. Ask and we will not be turned away.Joel Spencerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02474230869182287895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25635043.post-31952897535725028352008-10-17T21:39:00.000-04:002008-10-17T21:39:00.000-04:00Take your time Joel. I find talking with you enjoy...Take your time Joel. I find talking with you enjoyable because you're not one of those that thinks they've "arrived" and thinks they know something. Most people repeat what someone else taught them, refusing to search deep within the scriptures for the answers. It's easier to be a "repeat what you've been taught" clone than to study and put effort into what the Creator of the universe had to say. <BR/><BR/>You have the heart of an Israelite my friend; I like that. You're ready to challenge and then be challenged,while at the same time doing it with humility. <BR/><BR/>If you want truth badly enough and are willing to search for it, you will indeed find it.Gabehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06648678885710139715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25635043.post-23712246536454136472008-10-17T16:31:00.000-04:002008-10-17T16:31:00.000-04:00"Who will stand up and stand out? Who will proclai..."Who will stand up and stand out? Who will proclaim that it is time to build the LORD a house that is not built with human hands? Who will establish a Kingdom that is not of this world? Who will have the courage to go against the accepted norm and press on into becoming the Biblical Body? Who will stand up against the ”self-appointed spiritual authorities” of this age and say “What are we doing?”<BR/><BR/><BR/>Indeed, who? <BR/><BR/>I'd say that there are more people everyday standing up to say..."Yes Jesus, I will..." God is quietly, and anonymously, working amonst people all over the world, to reveal his original call to be a part of His Kingdom while yet living in a fallen world. You are one of those people Joel. Every time I meet another person who is unafraid to ask the tough questions, and let God himself answer, I am thrilled in my spirit.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the great post. <BR/><BR/>In Christ, DanielLike a Mustard Seedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00269939811367563485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25635043.post-22458662368634340302008-10-17T09:04:00.000-04:002008-10-17T09:04:00.000-04:00I am reminded that we are His hands and feet. If t...I am reminded that we are His hands and feet. If the church is failing, it is because we are failing to do what we have been called to do....the Great Commission. May we be like Isaiah and say "Here I Am! Lord, send me!"<BR/><BR/>We also have disgustingly perverted the Gospel with prosperity. There are sooooo many false prophets twisting scripture to tell people that God wants them to have things that the Bible simply does not say. The word-of-faith movement has been notorious for doing this in that it will ignore health problems in a person and "claim" divine healing and "claim" wealth from Heaven for here on Earth. It's sickening. <BR/><BR/>We are to reflect Christ, to be His body. How can we be pure reflections of Him if we are mangling the scriptures? <BR/><BR/>Shalom....-Amy<BR/><BR/>www.myspace.com/g33kchikAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25635043.post-70472850355587213612008-10-16T18:31:00.000-04:002008-10-16T18:31:00.000-04:00Mattityahu: Thanks for stopping by and feel free t...<B>Mattityahu:</B> Thanks for stopping by and feel free to pass it on. <BR/><BR/><B>Aussie John:</B> I couldn't agree with you more. I was simply referring to the Body life (interaction within Itself) of the Church and should have clarified it a bit more. Thanks.Joel Spencerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02474230869182287895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25635043.post-75884492723952461132008-10-16T16:05:00.000-04:002008-10-16T16:05:00.000-04:00Joel,Very perceptive article. Keep travelling that...Joel,<BR/><BR/>Very perceptive article. Keep travelling that road.<BR/><BR/>Only one thing I would change (you would expect that from an old-timer :). You said,"...the Church will never be the Church that God desires it to be until the Church gathers together to soley worship and honor the LORD alone".<BR/><BR/>I would change that to,"The church will never be what God desires until the whole of life, the way we live and function daily, is an offering of worship and honour to the Lord alone". That is the Biblical principle of worship for those who live under the New Covenant.Aussie Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16199918171163666399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25635043.post-860401006270615512008-10-16T13:51:00.000-04:002008-10-16T13:51:00.000-04:00Great piece brotha. My thoughts exactly. something...Great piece brotha. My thoughts exactly. something that the masses of Christendom need to hear.<BR/><BR/>I feel the need to get it out so I am going to post a link to your blog site if you don't mind.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25635043.post-68664692689505457102008-10-15T15:29:00.000-04:002008-10-15T15:29:00.000-04:00Curtis: Perhaps She would address personal sins th...Curtis: Perhaps She would address personal sins that reside within Her Body rather than just those within the "secular" masses. <BR/><BR/>(Example: Jealousy within my heart is as vile in God's eyes as the actions of a mass murderer.)Joel Spencerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02474230869182287895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25635043.post-55794896284375013272008-10-15T11:15:00.000-04:002008-10-15T11:15:00.000-04:00She would preach against sin and tell the truth ab...She would preach against sin and tell the truth about the consequences of sin without leaving the other undone...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25635043.post-17797805125773449152008-10-15T07:08:00.001-04:002008-10-15T07:08:00.001-04:00Alan: Several people have referred to, as you stat...<B>Alan:</B> Several people have referred to, as you stated, "all the time that went into it". The most incredible thing is that it took all of thirty minutes or so to get down. I truly believe that the LORD was the Orator and I was simply the scribe. It was (and is)definitely alive. <BR/><BR/><B>Mark:</B> I'm glad that the article has spurred you to continue on in your ongoing journey. May we arrive at our destination, found pleasing to our Father.Joel Spencerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02474230869182287895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25635043.post-35231190153356016032008-10-15T01:02:00.000-04:002008-10-15T01:02:00.000-04:00Awesome post Joel - I have been striving to live a...Awesome post Joel - I have been striving to live as you described in your post. You provided much needed motivation though.Mark Mainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12456466254003176393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25635043.post-10436579740243947932008-10-14T22:50:00.000-04:002008-10-14T22:50:00.000-04:00Joel,You've said some things that people need to r...Joel,<BR/><BR/>You've said some things that people need to read and think deeply about. I appreciate all the work that went into it. May we all seek to continue to submit to the will of God and see our lives and the church molded to his will.<BR/><BR/>-AlanAlan Knoxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07452247058550736803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25635043.post-63579539530927694982008-10-14T20:07:00.000-04:002008-10-14T20:07:00.000-04:00Gabe: Man, I'm going to need some time to address ...<B>Gabe:</B> Man, I'm going to need some time to address all that you stated. Stay tuned.<BR/><BR/><B>Amy:</B> Thanks again for stopping by. I really believe that this is what the Spirit is saying.<BR/><BR/><B>Joel:</B> Holy moly is right. If the True Church were in Miami, I'm just now pulling out of Seattle, stopping at too many rest stops along the way.Joel Spencerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02474230869182287895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25635043.post-74237820005509943702008-10-14T19:38:00.000-04:002008-10-14T19:38:00.000-04:00Holy moly...I agree...Joel Hoslerbtw... i'm puttin...Holy moly...<BR/><BR/>I agree...<BR/><BR/><BR/>Joel Hosler<BR/><BR/><BR/>btw... i'm putting a link o your page on mine. I don't have as much time to write, a lot of blogs and you speak my mind many times, so I want others to find your page to hear this.Joel Hoslerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16868110510604623761noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25635043.post-44854692916837906172008-10-14T13:17:00.000-04:002008-10-14T13:17:00.000-04:00Joel,This blogpost is awesome. I fully agree with ...Joel,<BR/>This blogpost is awesome. I fully agree with and my heart resonates with everything you mentioned here. Very well stated.<BR/><BR/>(Feel free to "drop-in" to my blogpage, if you are not too busy).<BR/><BR/>Blessings,<BR/>~Amy :)<BR/>http://amyiswalkinginthespirit.blogspot.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25635043.post-3731412479623968032008-10-14T11:42:00.000-04:002008-10-14T11:42:00.000-04:00I noticed something about what you spoke my friend...I noticed something about what you spoke my friend; much of what you talk about, we Torah believing Jews strive to live. Many if not most Jews around the world do not follow the teaching and instruction given to Israel by the Creator on Mt. Sinai. <BR/><BR/>Those of us who have continued to live as YHVH spoke to us to live, are defined by those instructions. That is why Christians will not be able to convert a Torah believing Jew to Jesus; the Torah points to a Creator while the New Testament points to a man who claims to be divine. Jews who do not know the Torah are easily led the way of the church because of their lack of knowledge of scripture. Since we wrote the scriptures, we feel we have a pretty good grasp of what they say, particularly from the original Hebrew language (not the paganized translations such as the King James or New King James versions). <BR/><BR/>For over nineteen centuries, nothing has changed since the beginnings of the church. A church on every street corner in America has done nothing to change the “Babylonian” ways of the nation, let alone the world. I liked your last article. Were you aware that there are some so called church leaders who are members of Bohemian Grove? A little research might help finding the truth. <BR/><BR/>Paganism has not left the church, that’s why it is in the state it is; just like Israel had done as the Creator said it (Israel) would do, the church follows the ways of the pagan nations (particularly Rome) that preceded it. Look at (Barna polls seem good) at where this nation leads the world in the negative categories (pornography, legal and illegal drugs, murder, etc.). There is no structure in “Jesus died and did it all for me” and I can live as I “think” the spirit is guiding me. I particularly stay away from those who say that God spoke to them. Why? Because when I go to the scriptures to look to see if what they say lines up, it NEVER does.<BR/><BR/>Every Word spoken by the Creator is located in what you call the Old Testament. It’s not Old, but ongoing and eternal. It became labeled as “Old” when King James (a dedicated catholic) came out with the new testament. Constantine wanted Christianity to be the world religion, but yet he was nothing but a pagan sun god worshipper who murdered his mother and oldest son after his supposed conversion to Christianity. Everything that ever needed to be spoken was spoken by the Creator centuries ago. That teaching and instruction is all in black and white to be followed. God says in Malach 3:6 “I do not change.” <BR/><BR/>I’m not on a soapbox my friend; I just see your frustration. We Jews don’t get frustrated; the teaching and instruction of the Creator is our compass. We teach them to our children as we’ve been commanded and it is passed on from generation to generation. Go into your Stong’s Concordance and look up the word “forever”. You’ll see, even in the mistranslated King James and New King James versions, that the word as it pertains to Israel is what it is; no one can change that. <BR/><BR/>Replacement theology has taught that the church has replaced Israel because of Israel’s sin and rebellion. The Creator told Moses that they would do just that, but that they would return to Him and He would remember his covenant with them. You’ll find that in the scriptures. Israel is the only group of people who have a covenant with the Almighty. You’re not Israel by being a Jew; you’re Israel by following the instructions of the Creator. <BR/><BR/>The New Testament calls this the law (Greek); but I submit to you that the original meaning of the word in the Hebrew in not law, but teaching and instruction, something the church will never get. They walk as seems right in their own eyes and they think that a “holy spirit” is guiding their every step. If that were true, there would have been no need for your article. <BR/><BR/>Once again Joel, another thought provoking writing. You have the zeal of one of YHVH’s own.Gabehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06648678885710139715noreply@blogger.com